they don't want to look at the science of the numbers and i instantly thought about climate change. this rejection of facts, numbers. not of opinions but numbers. >> there's truth to that. you don't fight research unless you're worried what the research says. you know, you hear these arguments all the time, in particular from, you know, the nra leadership and others, in particular, in terms of this is not just about guns but a lot of other issues and there's some truth to that and focus on the entertainment industry and the role of video games. well, the last time i checked they watch the same movies and play the same video games in canada and don't have the same kind of violence here in terms of guns so there is an issue here about gun violence and the question is how do we come up with, you know, common sense reforms that obviously respect the second amendment and make sure that we can do maybe go an extra step to protect individuals so when you're fighting against universal background checks as an example, you know you have a problem. >> well, but part of the problem and e.j. tou